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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 11, 2012 11:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: U.S. 72!

I am so moved. Words fail me thinking of such spectacle.

btw- Wouldn't Deborah Koons marrying Mick Jaggger right now just fit? Although she isn't an accessory to murder (that we know of). Under My Thumb indeed. http://tinyurl.com/83rwodm

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 12, 2012 7:34am
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I love the RSs, and this 72 tour was undoubtedly a great one ( some say the 73 Europe tour was their last outstanding one). But sometimes their arrogant, show-biz baloney, gets in the way . And I sometimes think that the cool congested sound of "Exile" has led it to be overrated ( I think "Beggars" is their best album), but that is another story . But their "Greatest Rock and Roll Band" thing was certainly true, in this era . As a friend of mine used to say,"I owe more speeding tickets to the Rolling Stones, than to anyone else ".
The Grateful Dead, for all their faults, were a more "honest" outfit . The Rolling Stones can get me excited, and just feel great, but I am rarely moved by their music . Even when the Dead tried to "sell it", they were so inept at being commercial, that it can be sort of charming . I think Phil said it best, "Lame, but noble".
Bye the way, Micah , is there some new Deborah Koons scuttlebutt that I have missed ?

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 12, 2012 10:31am
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Great comment about Exile. A wonderful but def not their greatest album. (Sticky Fingers). The 'cool, congested' sound was not a lot more than the result of the Nellcote contributions being poorly recorded. But the muddy vocals among other things seemed to add to the gritty, roots rock thing they had going on. Funny how things work out sometimes.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 10:59am
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Isn't it about time for WT to chime in about how important Brian Jones is/was?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYolxiu1wxQ

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 12, 2012 11:26am
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Brian Jones was in CREAM?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 11:44am
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No, but he named the band. Said they would go over like cool whip.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 12, 2012 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: U.S. 72!

Get Off of My Cloud
As Tears Go By
Under My Thumb
Paint It Black
She's a Rainbow
Sympathy for the Devil
No Expectations
Street Fighting Man
Stray Cat Blues
Salt of the Earth
Gimmie Shelter
Love in Vain (Robert Johnson cover-beautifully done)
Country Honk
Live with Me
Let it Bleed
Midnight Rambler
You've Got the Silver
Monkey Man
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Brown Sugar
Sway
Honky Tonk Women
Wild Horses
Can't You Hear Me Knockin'
You Gotta Move
Sister Morphine
Dead Flowers
Moonlight Mile
Rocks Off
Rip This Joint
Tumblin' Dice
Sweet Viginia
Torn and Frayed
Loving Cup
Happy
Ventilator Blues
All Down the Line
Dancin' With Mr. D
100 Years Ago
Comin' Down Again
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo
Angie
Winter
Star Star
If You Can't Rock Me
Ain't to Proud to Beg (Whitfield/Holland Jr. cover)
It's Only Rock & Roll
Time Waits for No One
Dance Little Sister
Fingerprint File
Hot Stuff
Memory Motel
Fool to Cry
Just My Imagination (Whitfield /Strong-all time great cover)
Some Girls
Far Away Eyes
Respectable
Beast of Burden
Shattered
Send it to Me
Emotional Rescue
She's So Cold
Start Me Up
Hang Fire
Waiting For a Friend (beautiful Sony Rollins sax part)

I think any right minded music fan would consider that a fairly impressive list of compositions,regardless of the fact that they are spoiled self-important rock star douche bags.I find it amusing someone would question their musical abilities,I hate Frank Zappa,but cannot deny he was talented.I'm not saying they have to considered the best or second best,but it's the fuckin' Rolling Stones for christ sakes.

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Poster: abilene22 Date: Jul 12, 2012 5:56pm
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You listed every song from Let It Bleed, better than Sticky Fingers by a mile. I don't care who they ripped off, it's just great music.

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Poster: efinigan Date: Aug 16, 2012 1:43am
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Lots of technical support here!

How do I get someone to reply to my requests to delete opensource projects that I would like to have removed?

I have noticed over the years that there are many, many requests by others for which there are zero replies. No doubt, short handed?

Sincerely (really0

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 12, 2012 2:19pm
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Ha...straight man to JOTS & flow...frikin funny!

Thx, bd...it always seems nicer coming from you...even a hearty f**k off...

I never paid much attn to the RS post 71...wait a minute!?!

Truly.

Nonetheless, per usual, could still appreciate the product independent of the role model biz.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 12, 2012 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: U.S. 72!

No, just the usual. Mick somehow fit in my mind. Two hustlers.

That Mick cranked up Under My Thumb after Meredith Hunter was killed for another take is sicking. Yeah, maybe he didn't see it go down, but the vibe must have been so clear and the violence so real (JA) that the GD who played in freaky, hairy places didn't want anything to do with it (http://tinyurl.com/62tj977). But Mick had to have this show regardless of the late move of venue, lack of security, waiting to sundown (better cinematography for the movie they wanted to release), while the crowd got worse, and not stopping the show. (Oh, we would have been killed! Really? Just another whiny ass answer and no balls or taking of responsibility.) In the movie when Mick sees the film of the murder it is a great lesson in feigning grief and shock. What a poser, but very good actor.

Just b/c they have somehow manged to stick around doesn't mean they get a pass. The R/S musical ability, minor as it ever was, is gone. (Did they ever pay any of the black musicians whose music they ripped off?) I do admire how long they have been able to keep their kabuki theater machine going with hardly a speck of creativity for 40 years, and it keeps pumping gobs of money out. Their business acumen I never questioned, even when it meant throwing a friend under the bus, such as Bill Graham. They long ago made a Faustian bargain that I hope one day will crush this facade that the Stones are a great band, the Stones´╗┐ are a transcendent live band, the Stones are the best band in the world. Far from it. Few will listen their music in seceding generations. Their are few artists in R&R who I find more repulsive. I wish they would break up and enjoy their dotage.


--> Hey Dudley, onto something more worthwhile. Could you rec a symphony and an opera (even arias) that nave just blown you away in the past few years. No matter the time or style. Thanks!

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 12, 2012 11:29am
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You are probably too harsh on the RS as a musical unit, (except their post "Some Girls" career,.. a LONG time), but I understand your venom on their less than savory sides . I think their 60's > Exile album run was pretty strong, with few rivals (Beatles, Dylan) , but can see where you are coming from .

Now on the Classical front, do you mean recently composed ? Or a great perfomance/recording of any piece ? I have been a little out of the loop since the death of Tower, but I could make some recommendations .
Of recent pianists, Yuja Wang is really great, she even plays better than she looks ! Her recordings are a mixed bag, much better live ( check her out on Youtube, her Prokofiev Concerto 3),http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDfGBmbNbMw but her first one Sonatas & Etudes has her great Liszt Sonata on it .
I could go on, but I should get a clearer idea what you are looking for . Do you have any Bartok ? A Dead Head should dig him .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 12:10pm
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Dudley - What do you know of/think of Tim Fain, a young violinist? I just saw him with Joanne Newsom and Philip Glass and was very, very impressed.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 12, 2012 12:29pm
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He seems to do a lot of music by and with Glass . What I've heard , I like , but it is hard to tell what I think of him as a violinist, as he I haven't heard him much traditional works to compare . I'm not the word's biggest Phil Glass guy, like him, but don't love him . But his Violin Concerto # 1 I like very much .I wonder if Fain has done it ? I have not heard the recent Glass 2nd concerto , but a friend who's musical taste I trust, says it's good . Sounds like you heard an interesting concert . Did he perform that Glass Partita for solo violin ?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 12:49pm
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Yes. It was an interesting show and done as fundraiser for the Henry Miller LIbrary (next one is with Rufus Wainwright in late Sept). I'm not crazy about Philip, but his Day and Nights Festival is now headquarted out here in Carmel Valley and he's a BIG supporter of the Henry Miller Library in Big Sur and sits on the film selection committee (along with Laurie Anderson and others) for the Big Sur Film Fest that is run through HML
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B64-tJfUmE

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 9:45am
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Rolling Stones "less savory sides"

they can be a fun listen at times

http://tinyurl.com/359onr6

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 12, 2012 2:51pm
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I probably am slightly too harsh. ;-)

I wish my responses didn't go to a specific handle.

Thanks for the recs! I've gone through my meager collection.
unclejohn had a great link that I don't know if you saw,

http://www.medici.tv/

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 12, 2012 3:04pm
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Medici is a gold mine .
Thinking about Bartok, this early stereo recording is a classic, and sounds great .
http://www.amazon.com/Bartok-Concerto-Orchestra-Percussion-Hungarian/dp/B000003FEJ
I think Weir has talked about the Music for Strings etc. This is 20th century music that is pretty digestible, and to my mind very evocative .
...hey I though this was a Rolling Stones 72 thread !

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 4:04pm
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Roll Over Beethoven and tell Tchaikovsky the news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeYF0qZBhYY&;feature=related

Ripping off chuck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzKd0aiaK4c&;feature=related

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2012-07-12 23:04:42

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 13, 2012 8:55am
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Boy did they rip off Chuck in that jam! Great stuff.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 12, 2012 3:57pm
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Ha ha ! Written in an era when Classical Music was a healthy institution . Same spirt as "A Night At the Opera', and all those great Warner cartoons poke fun at the stuffiness of the music establishment of the time . As they said in the Punk era, "Fuck art, let's dance".
These days , when Classical ( and Jazz for that matter) is on the run, and devalued in our culture, if I think about it too closely... Ludwig, and Peter Ilyich, have rolled almost out of musical sight , But it is still a great Rock anthem. and the man is one of the greatest writers in R&R ever ...
Even though Chuck a pain in the ass (read Keith's book on this show), and a scuzzy fuck .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 4:35pm
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I was fortunate enough to live in Prague for about 6 years and got tons of exposure to great live classical music on a real frequent basis for not much cash at all. I miss it. Here in the states, it's just a different deal.

"scuzzy fuck" - what, you got a problem with hidden bathroom cams in the man's own restaurant? Or some even more disturbing things I won't mention...

I did read Keith's book. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 12, 2012 5:30pm
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Chuck is a creepy guy . I read his book and where most autobiographies make you feel better about the author (say, the Keith book, with some caveats), Berry's made me like him less . And the bathroom cams, and his "disturbing things", reinforce that opinion .
But he still is a giant of pop music .
It is funny, 3 of the remaining 50's greats, are all people you would not want as neighbors . Chuck - sleezebag, Little Richard - crazy , Jerry Lee - dangerous, and "vile" . Like your records guys , but please live in another state .

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jul 12, 2012 11:19am
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Second you on this - never "got" the Stones, as compared to The Who, for example.

Here's a salve for your soul, one of the sweetest melodies of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuYQ9KRJms

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2012 11:37am
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Must be nice to know what is in someone else's mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAbOpiAKi8&;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87QWHA2ZeIY

You might want to ask Muddy Waters and Buddy Guy how they felt about being "ripped off".

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 12, 2012 1:27pm
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I have that Gram Parsons dvd. Love it! My wife can't watch those Keith clips because he creeps her out too much especially when he looks like he's scammin on poor Nora Jones

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 12, 2012 1:48pm
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Denis Leary once did a bit regarding an anti-drug PSA done by Richards.

Keith: Don't do drugs.(In a TV PSA)

Denis: We CAN'T Keith, because you f*ckin' did them all! We have to wait for you to die, dig you up and snort your f*cking ashes!!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 12, 2012 1:57pm
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That is flat out unlistenable. If all he wanted to do was grope NJ why ask her backstage, instead of the tawdry boxing match on stage. Poor Norah. She should have played Parson's song , She, one of her covers.

I'll give you Muddy Waters and Buddy Guy and keep all the rest that I wrote. Scales fall heavily to one side still.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 12, 2012 4:11pm
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" Poor Norah. She should have played Parson's song , She, one of her covers." she did earlier in the show

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 12, 2012 5:27pm
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Then she outta skedaddled!

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 12, 2012 2:12pm
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I'm with you on this one big time bd. Also ask Stevie Wonder and Billie Preston how they felt being ripped off. The Stones had black opening acts on major tours at a time when NOBODY else did.
If the Stones ripped off black artists then I guess Jerry ripped off Django Rheinhart.
Musicians have influences. It's how it works.